From: "Druid" To: "Druid" Subject: Re: Re: What happened man? Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:42:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C366E6.32839020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C366E6.32839020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Micah Barrington=20 To: {MOB} Fag Killa ; {GDEC} @nonymous ; {GDEC} BEAN ; {GDEC} Bonall ; = {GDEC} Brad ; {GDEC} Captain Winters ; {GDEC} Chavez ; {GDEC} Chief ; = {GDEC} Dude ; {GDEC} Garisonson ; {GDEC} Genocide ; {GDEC} Ghost Hunter = ; {GDEC} Grandall ; {GDEC} Havok ; {GDEC} Incroyable ; {GDEC} Jarod ; = {GDEC} Jennifer ; {GDEC} Jonner ; {GDEC} Knife in the Back ; {GDEC} = Lynch ; {GDEC} Macally ; {GDEC} Mazz ; {GDEC} Mikduke ; {GDEC} Ninja ; = {GDEC} Pappy ; {GDEC} Pappy ; {GDEC} Rah Rah ; {GDEC} Sub Nuke ; {GDEC} = Thorn in Side ; {GDEC} Willhelm ; {GDEC} Yellow Claw ; {GDEC} Yinic ; = Cobra@mobclan.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:39 AM Subject: Fw: Re: What happened man? Clan, take a look at this....this is friggin sad. as we all know, after we = played MOB and lost we learned allot from them as we do in all matches = we lose. this drove us to work harder and the result was Jarod nailing = down a realistic plan that will work. i want you guy to undertstand that there are allot of things you can = do to the quake engine MOH runs on. there are allot of things you can do = to a server. but i want to give you a few certain facts. things you can = know apply to all playing on same server. 1. realism. realism is a text file loaded after the defaults. these = files tell the guns to behave in a certain mannor. for this file to work = the MOH must be rebooted.(you can't change them on the fly) 2. gravity, volicity, runspeen, walkspeed - this is all set to stock = in matches and not only that but if you see them running fast....your = running fast to. this CAN NOT be applied to a certain player. and, at = the begaining of the match, matchwatch DETECTS the settings. you can not = adjust matchwatch to say a certain thing. these settings apply to all = players.=20 3. servers - MOB rents a server just like us. they DO NOT have direct = access to the machine. their host would never allow them to change = hardware around. with this being said and you hopefully having a better understanding = of how moh works, take a look at the lenght ppl will go to to justifiy = their actions and to avoid addimtting SHIT, THEY WHERE JUST BETTER THAT TIME! when ppl cheat they use aimbots and wall hacks. pale ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jarod Smothers=20 To: micahbarrington@flaprocessing.com ; rpringle@meandaur.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: What happened man? -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:41:38=20 From: "thormohaa@hotmail.com" =20 To: =20 Cc: =20 Yes I am sure. I have spoken with a former member who tells me = of things they do. I also SCAF Mars of the 3rd ID, and we have a former member of = COM who tells me of the things that they do. MOB are known hackers yet they act as if your team has to be = watched. It's the equivalent of the little kid who goes to his parents = first to tell his side of the story so that no matter what his brother = says, the first impression gets him out of trouble right or wrong. = Every time they get accused of cheating they point out that RealDeal is = listed in the About section of the CI cheat detection software. Well, = big fucking deal, so am I for software I wrote for the application. = RealDeal just did research on cheats. Who better to do research than a = cheater himself? The problem is that these clans have people who are very = technical and they understand how to manipulate the servers. For = example, we discovered that COM was using to NIC cards for our match = with them. They create a QOS or Quality of Service on the one card (the = one we were told to use) which limited the bandwidth, while the one they = used had free and clear bandwidth. The result was we were all pinging = at 150+ while they were all at 35 and below. This allows for characters = to miss a few frames, meaning they would always get the jump on you. Many clans now change the gravity by linking it to a designated = tag that each player is wearing. It's a server side script job. The game is being ruined by a bunch of people who have no honor = and have to resort to high tech cheating in order to gain in the = ladders. The sad thing is, MOB players are actually good. They know the = game very well, so they could actually compete without having that one = or two guys who cheat on their team to give them an edge. Thor=20 -------Original Message------- From: jarodemail@lycos.com Date: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:13:09 PM To: thormohaa@hotmail.com Subject: Re: What happened man? GDEC, man that sucks br0, ashame no one plays right anymore everyone = has to cheat, so you have played COM before. are they any good or same = type of shit go on with them. Are you sure sumpin fishy was up with MOB? = -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:02:21=20 From: "thormohaa@hotmail.com" =20 To: =20 Cc: =20 Be careful of MOB. Make sure you play on your server and = not their's. We are leaving, because we are sick and tired of the = cheating. OGL does not have any rules for monitoring the CKR1.1 mod, = which can be scripted and no one would know. We wound up emptying whole = clips at short range and didn't hit them once yet they turn around and = POP, one shot and we go down. They hide behind a thin veil of bullshit, acting like = they're the victims. They are just like COM in that they will go to any = end to win, which includes changing the gravity for teams with a = designated tag, etc. Good luck against them. Thor=20 ps what clan are you with? -------Original Message------- From: jarodemail@lycos.com Date: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:52:49 PM To: thormohaa@hotmail.com Subject: What happened man? Hey what happened in the match and why are you guys = leaving ogl???????? Is there somthing I should know about them? = ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get = Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=3D27005=20 =20 =20 ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos = Mail! Login To Lycos Mail=20 =20 =20 =20 --------- End Forwarded Message ---------=20 ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! 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From: Micah Barrington =
To: {MOB} Fag Killa ; {GDEC}=20 @nonymous ; {GDEC}=20 BEAN ; {GDEC} Bonall ; {GDEC} = Brad ; {GDEC} = Captain=20 Winters ; {GDEC} Chavez ; {GDEC}=20 Chief ; {GDEC} Dude ; {GDEC}=20 Garisonson ; {GDEC} Genocide ; {GDEC} = Ghost=20 Hunter ; {GDEC} Grandall ; {GDEC} Havok=20 ; {GDEC}=20 Incroyable ; {GDEC} Jarod ; {GDEC}=20 Jennifer ; {GDEC} Jonner ; {GDEC} Knife in=20 the Back ; {GDEC} Lynch ; {GDEC}=20 Macally ; {GDEC} Mazz ; {GDEC} = Mikduke=20 ; {GDEC} Ninja ; {GDEC} Pappy ; {GDEC} Pappy=20 ; {GDEC} Rah Rah ; {GDEC} = Sub Nuke=20 ; {GDEC}=20 Thorn in Side ; {GDEC} Willhelm ; {GDEC} Yellow=20 Claw ; {GDEC}=20 Yinic ; Cobra@mobclan.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:39 AM
Subject: Fw: Re: What happened man?

Clan,
 
take a look at this....this is = friggin sad. as we=20 all know, after we played MOB and lost we learned allot from them as = we do in=20 all matches we lose. this drove us to work harder and the result was = Jarod=20 nailing down a realistic plan that will work.
 
i want you guy to undertstand that = there are=20 allot of things you can do to the quake engine MOH runs on. there are = allot of=20 things you can do to a server. but i want to give you a few certain = facts.=20 things you can know apply to all playing on same server.
 
1. realism. realism is a text file=20 loaded after the defaults. these files tell the guns to behave in = a=20 certain mannor. for this file to work the MOH must be rebooted.(you = can't=20 change them on the fly)
 
2. gravity, volicity, runspeen, = walkspeed - this=20 is all set to stock in matches and not only that but if you see them = running=20 fast....your running fast to. this CAN NOT be applied to a certain = player.=20 and, at the begaining of the match, matchwatch DETECTS the settings. = you can=20 not adjust matchwatch to say a certain thing. these settings apply to = all=20 players.
 
3. servers - MOB rents a server just = like us.=20 they DO NOT have direct access to the machine. their host would never = allow=20 them to change hardware around.
 
with this being said and you = hopefully having a=20 better understanding of how moh works, take a look at the lenght ppl = will go=20 to to justifiy their actions and to avoid addimtting
 
SHIT, THEY WHERE JUST BETTER THAT=20 TIME!
 
when ppl cheat they use aimbots and = wall=20 hacks.
 
pale
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jarod=20 Smothers
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: What happened man?

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<= /TR>
DATE: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:41:38
From: "thormohaa@hotmail.com" = <thormohaa@hotmail.com>
To: <jarodemail@lycos.com>
Cc:

Yes I am sure.  I have spoken with a former = member=20 who tells me of things they do.
 
I also SCAF Mars of the 3rd ID, and we have a former member = of COM=20 who tells me of the things that they do.
 
MOB are known hackers yet they act as if your team has to = be=20 watched.  It's the equivalent of the little kid who goes to = his=20 parents first to tell his side of the story so that = no matter what=20 his brother says, the first impression gets him out of trouble = right or=20 wrong.  Every time they get accused of cheating they point = out that=20 RealDeal is listed in the About section of the CI cheat = detection=20 software.  Well, big fucking deal, so am I for software I = wrote for=20 the application.  RealDeal just did research on = cheats.  Who=20 better to do research than a cheater himself?
 
The problem is that these clans have people who are very = technical=20 and they understand how to manipulate the servers.  For = example, we=20 discovered that COM was using to NIC cards for our match with=20 them.  They create a QOS or Quality of Service on the one = card (the=20 one we were told to use) which limited the bandwidth, while the = one they=20 used had free and clear bandwidth.  The result was we were = all=20 pinging at 150+ while they were all at 35 and below.  This = allows=20 for characters to miss a few frames, meaning they would always = get the=20 jump on you.
 
Many clans now change the gravity by linking it to a = designated tag=20 that each player is wearing.  It's a server side script = job.
 
The game is being ruined by a bunch of people who have no = honor and=20 have to resort to high tech cheating in order to gain in the=20 ladders.
 
The sad thing is, MOB players are actually good.  They = know=20 the game very well, so they could actually compete without = having that=20 one or two guys who cheat on their team to give them an = edge.
 
Thor 
 
-------Original=20 Message-------
 
From: jarodemail@lycos.com
Date: = Thursday, July=20 24, 2003 2:13:09 PM
To: thormohaa@hotmail.com
Subject: = Re: What=20 happened man?
 

GDEC,

man that sucks br0, ashame no one plays right anymore = everyone has to=20 cheat, so you have played COM before. are they any good or same = type of=20 shit go on with them. Are you sure sumpin fishy was up with MOB? =

 

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--------- Original Message = ---------
DATE: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 = 14:02:21
From: "thormohaa@hotmail.com"=20 <thormohaa@hotmail.com>
To: = <jarodemail@lycos.com>
Cc: =

 
 
Be careful of MOB.  Make sure you play on your = server=20 and not their's.
 
We are leaving, because we are sick and tired of the=20 cheating.  OGL does not have any rules for monitoring = the=20 CKR1.1 mod, which can be scripted and no one would = know.  We=20 wound up emptying whole clips at short range and didn't = hit them=20 once yet they turn around and POP, one shot and we go = down.
 
They hide behind a thin veil of bullshit, acting like = they're=20 the victims.  They are just like COM in that they = will go=20 to any end to win, which includes changing the = gravity for=20 teams with a designated tag, etc.
 
Good luck against them.
 
Thor 
 
ps what clan are you with?
 
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Date: Thursday,=20 July 24, 2003 1:52:49 PM
To: = thormohaa@hotmail.com
Subject: What=20 happened man?
 
Hey what happened in the match and why are you guys = leaving=20 ogl???????? Is there somthing I should know about = them?
 
 
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